larry bobo Wrote:
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> I think it is important to realize that all of us
> can have our minds controlled to believe certain
> doctrines or new revelations What a cult cannot
> do is actually perform their teaching. I believe
> this is why Jesus said to look at the fruit, not
> just the words. Have you seen any manifestation
> of the sons of God taking control over world
> governments or overcoming death before Christ’s
> return? It has a lure of feeding the ego, but in
> the real world, it’s just not happening. It’s
> always going to take place in the next level,
> which seem to constantly come and go without any
> fruit. The only ones that get ruled over are the
> followers of the cult leaders. The benefits of
> the “upward flow” only go in one direction.
> When “Send me money and God will make you
> rich” doesn’t work, the answer is always
> “You need to send me more money”.
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It has been enlightening to me that we are having this discussion on mind control. The process of mind control for me has been difficult to understand and I am only beginning to wrap my brain around it. Before I came to this forum I recall reading a discussion here between changedagain and jhorning on mind control (I had the same questions as jhorning) and it really opened my eyes to the fact that something was going on but I didn't grasp what it was because I think the term mind control is misunderstood.
Some in writing about mind control think that the term undue influence is more fitting. Mind control in a cult does not mean absolute control of a person's mind. It is a shorthand term for a complex process of mental and psychological manipulation. It's a way of changing a person's thinking (have John's thinking or have Marilyn's thinking) through a number of techniques such as deception or manipulation of trust and other ways that Larry has pointed out. These techniques are very subtle and very difficult to explain satisfactorily to anyone who has not themselves experienced a cult.
Prior to G&M you may have come to TLW through a church that was not cultish (such as AD has previously described) and you many not have experienced undue influence from a pastor or elders but if you religiously listed to tapes, even while sleeping as many did, and you were really sucked into the TLW movement, you may have experienced mind control or undue influence.
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> >
> I think it is important to realize that all of us
> can have our minds controlled to believe certain
> doctrines or new revelations What a cult cannot
> do is actually perform their teaching. I believe
> this is why Jesus said to look at the fruit, not
> just the words. Have you seen any manifestation
> of the sons of God taking control over world
> governments or overcoming death before Christ’s
> return? It has a lure of feeding the ego, but in
> the real world, it’s just not happening. It’s
> always going to take place in the next level,
> which seem to constantly come and go without any
> fruit. The only ones that get ruled over are the
> followers of the cult leaders. The benefits of
> the “upward flow” only go in one direction.
> When “Send me money and God will make you
> rich” doesn’t work, the answer is always
> “You need to send me more money”.
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It has been enlightening to me that we are having this discussion on mind control. The process of mind control for me has been difficult to understand and I am only beginning to wrap my brain around it. Before I came to this forum I recall reading a discussion here between changedagain and jhorning on mind control (I had the same questions as jhorning) and it really opened my eyes to the fact that something was going on but I didn't grasp what it was because I think the term mind control is misunderstood.
Some in writing about mind control think that the term undue influence is more fitting. Mind control in a cult does not mean absolute control of a person's mind. It is a shorthand term for a complex process of mental and psychological manipulation. It's a way of changing a person's thinking (have John's thinking or have Marilyn's thinking) through a number of techniques such as deception or manipulation of trust and other ways that Larry has pointed out. These techniques are very subtle and very difficult to explain satisfactorily to anyone who has not themselves experienced a cult.
Prior to G&M you may have come to TLW through a church that was not cultish (such as AD has previously described) and you many not have experienced undue influence from a pastor or elders but if you religiously listed to tapes, even while sleeping as many did, and you were really sucked into the TLW movement, you may have experienced mind control or undue influence.