kBoy mentioned Francis. I loved him too. He was rejected by JRS for speaking out (so much for the higher confirmation crap) and went on to live a life serving the Lord. Think about it....being rejected by JRS and the baggage that could come with that. Francis remained a true Charismatic and Latter Rainer and belief in all the laying on of hands transference anointing stuff but you know what...Francis was not heavy handed. Here's a John MacArthur quote from 1979 (about the time Francis was booted out) regarding JRS. I referenced MacArthur once before in a post regarding accusations that he was cultish. I have since learned that MacArthur is not a Charismatic fan and has written about it and as a result his critics see him as dogmatic. IMO MacArthur's church doesn't fit the definition of a cult.
JEAN: I wanted to ask if you know what is the Church of the Living Word?
JOHN: Yes. The Church of the Living Word is right up the street from the Local Church (laughter). And the Church of the Living Word is...there are at least three or four of those churches and they were started by a guy named John Robert Stevens who fancies himself as a latter-day apostle. And those churches are full of other sub-apostles and they are getting, they get lots of revelations. It's, again, it's an aberrant...they would probably agree to the gospel, to the basics of the gospel, but that's where they leave. They are, they tend to be charismatic. They believe in the, that these men are apostles inspired with divine revelation and they give this revelation. They are very cultic in that Stevens is a kind of a powerful guy with a quite a stranglehold on the whole movement, very dominating in that situation. I see them as more cultic than the Local Church. Yeah. There are several things written that you can pick up in the bookstore on both of those I think.
changedagain wrote:
>BTW, I am of the opinion the atheist on this board could have done a better job leading the TLWF post John, than those who took the mantle.
Now that would have been a hoot/hoax ring-a-ding-ding combination.
Cloudwatcher: Thanks for the Graham link. I am 100% with you about taxing churches. I might add that the opulent ocean front million dollar plus Honolulu Church also has a swimming pool.
Happy New Year 2017! May you strive to follow TLWF and live in two realms (giggle) or simply follow the words of First Lady Michelle Obama and find it in your heart to love.
JEAN: I wanted to ask if you know what is the Church of the Living Word?
JOHN: Yes. The Church of the Living Word is right up the street from the Local Church (laughter). And the Church of the Living Word is...there are at least three or four of those churches and they were started by a guy named John Robert Stevens who fancies himself as a latter-day apostle. And those churches are full of other sub-apostles and they are getting, they get lots of revelations. It's, again, it's an aberrant...they would probably agree to the gospel, to the basics of the gospel, but that's where they leave. They are, they tend to be charismatic. They believe in the, that these men are apostles inspired with divine revelation and they give this revelation. They are very cultic in that Stevens is a kind of a powerful guy with a quite a stranglehold on the whole movement, very dominating in that situation. I see them as more cultic than the Local Church. Yeah. There are several things written that you can pick up in the bookstore on both of those I think.
changedagain wrote:
>BTW, I am of the opinion the atheist on this board could have done a better job leading the TLWF post John, than those who took the mantle.
Now that would have been a hoot/hoax ring-a-ding-ding combination.
Cloudwatcher: Thanks for the Graham link. I am 100% with you about taxing churches. I might add that the opulent ocean front million dollar plus Honolulu Church also has a swimming pool.
Happy New Year 2017! May you strive to follow TLWF and live in two realms (giggle) or simply follow the words of First Lady Michelle Obama and find it in your heart to love.
