Reepicheep Wrote:
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> larry bobo Wrote:
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> Within TLWF, looking for direction from the
> leadership is considered a mark of maturity.
>
>
> corboy Wrote:
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> A disciple is not the same as an inmate.
>
> It is a bad sign when a group of adults
> continually gaze at a leader the same way a gun
> dog looks up to his master.
>
>
> The archetype that was often used under the
> teaching of the Hargraves was Joshua putting his
> absolute focus on Moses. He was his servant from
> youth. He went to Mt. Sinai with Moses, but did
> not go up to receive the law. Basically, Joshua
> was not interested in anything else but serving
> Moses. He waited on him and if Moses went to speak
> with God face to face, Joshua waited for Moses. He
> was not his equal, but his servant.
>
> This was the spiritual example that all TLWF
> members were to strive for, to be a continual
> servant. Not exactly the American dream. This
> thinking made it impossible for members to reach
> maturity or to have normal relationships with
> others in their lives. I suppose that it worked
> for Gary. After all, he left everything and
> everybody else behind to put his complete focus on
> JRS (and JRS' wife, Marilyn). And when JRS died,
> he became the next leader (and also got the wife).
>
> But as a way of life for thousands of believers
> (now less), the Joshua example seems narcissistic
> and sadistic. What you realistically end up with
> is one leader receiving all the attention, and all
> the others fighting amongst themselves to be THE
> Joshua ministry. Meanwhile, the spouses are being
> ignored and the children are not receiving the
> attention they deserve.
Thanks for that powerful insight Reepicheep. What strikes me is how this archetype and spiritual example of Joshua is so oldie but moldy Old Testament, NOT New Testament. TLWF presents itself on its webpage as a New Testament Church. If that is true then it seems to me the leadership would be putting forward the archetype and spiritual example from the Gospel about the leadership not being exalted but serving the people, and NOT vice versa as it is in TLWF where the congregation is the servant of the leadership. While the Joshua archetype can informs us, the relationship between Moses and Joshua is irrelevant to having a walk with God today, post the New Testament, the new covenant, or in Walker language....the new thing (teaching put forward by Jesus.) IMO as Larry points out, TLWF webpage is deceptive and lacks transparency and honesty about what this little cult is about....which in part is serving the leadership. The archetype example of Jesus is about the servant leader.
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> larry bobo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Within TLWF, looking for direction from the
> leadership is considered a mark of maturity.
>
>
> corboy Wrote:
> -------------------------------------------------------
> A disciple is not the same as an inmate.
>
> It is a bad sign when a group of adults
> continually gaze at a leader the same way a gun
> dog looks up to his master.
>
>
> The archetype that was often used under the
> teaching of the Hargraves was Joshua putting his
> absolute focus on Moses. He was his servant from
> youth. He went to Mt. Sinai with Moses, but did
> not go up to receive the law. Basically, Joshua
> was not interested in anything else but serving
> Moses. He waited on him and if Moses went to speak
> with God face to face, Joshua waited for Moses. He
> was not his equal, but his servant.
>
> This was the spiritual example that all TLWF
> members were to strive for, to be a continual
> servant. Not exactly the American dream. This
> thinking made it impossible for members to reach
> maturity or to have normal relationships with
> others in their lives. I suppose that it worked
> for Gary. After all, he left everything and
> everybody else behind to put his complete focus on
> JRS (and JRS' wife, Marilyn). And when JRS died,
> he became the next leader (and also got the wife).
>
> But as a way of life for thousands of believers
> (now less), the Joshua example seems narcissistic
> and sadistic. What you realistically end up with
> is one leader receiving all the attention, and all
> the others fighting amongst themselves to be THE
> Joshua ministry. Meanwhile, the spouses are being
> ignored and the children are not receiving the
> attention they deserve.
Thanks for that powerful insight Reepicheep. What strikes me is how this archetype and spiritual example of Joshua is so oldie but moldy Old Testament, NOT New Testament. TLWF presents itself on its webpage as a New Testament Church. If that is true then it seems to me the leadership would be putting forward the archetype and spiritual example from the Gospel about the leadership not being exalted but serving the people, and NOT vice versa as it is in TLWF where the congregation is the servant of the leadership. While the Joshua archetype can informs us, the relationship between Moses and Joshua is irrelevant to having a walk with God today, post the New Testament, the new covenant, or in Walker language....the new thing (teaching put forward by Jesus.) IMO as Larry points out, TLWF webpage is deceptive and lacks transparency and honesty about what this little cult is about....which in part is serving the leadership. The archetype example of Jesus is about the servant leader.