I can't help but chuckle inappropriately, I feel, when I read your words now that we are looking from the outside side in and not caught up in emotion.
caos1952 you nail it about M being the Jezabel...she was a the filthy pot calling the kettle black as distraction from the the real truth. Accused everyone else while she/ built her kingdom.
"There is a word from God, one that didn't come out of the mouth of John though. It comes from the Bible. It speaks of a day when a man will be called a prophet and he will answer "I am no prophet, I am a tiller of the ground."
LOL inappropriately with the phrase "tiller of the the ground". There is a commonly used word that starts with F that litterly means to "plow the field". We all got screwed by the "leading of the lord" ...Lord M.
larrylobo said " oppression of drunken shepherds who could not run their own lives.." Amen Bro. Did many of the flock know about all the boozing and 'not wasting comunion wine?' Yeah, many leaders were drunk at services or passing out drugs at a number of groups in the walk. ( I was involved in 1/ dozen personally.)
I may as well blurt this out: My father-in law was Russell Ellinger. oh yeah. I was a big Jez because i complained that my husband, could not keep a job. He was so disfunctional. Even ingdom business coudll not get enough slvae labor ourt of him. He spend my earnings as a nurse on booze then there was no money to buy milk for the kids and he did not care. Yet Russell was so sure his son John was an oricle of god..cough cough... Russell and jeanne were at Anaheim so often so why did Russell a defrocked ordained minister not see the crap behind the pulpit? He was also defrocked from 4 square as well as JRS He was college educated. He was actually one of the very few ordained ministers with actual training...don't be impressed. Maybe the training and degree was part of why jrs and M let him stay around. Russelll had enough of his own dirty little secrets. Yes, I am speaking ill of the dead. "The sins of the father thing last for generations."
Russell was still playing Cho cho train on the ground in college like little boy until one a college friend told him it was time to 'grow up'. I don;t he he did grow up liek he pretended
After he married Wilma he went off to be a missionary in Jamaca where he aparently fathered a kid or so. Wilma was a teacher. She and John lived free on her family farm. All but $5 of her teacher salary was sent to support Russell work in Jamaca. My husband used to fantasize that his daddy would come home and play ball with him. " But my daddy never did play ball with me," They joined Christain Tabernacle around 1960 or '61. He was not a Stevens faimily meember nor an old elder of the core families, but they let him act like a pastor kind of guy.
Airing dirty laundry decades after the fact i think is so not nice. But the fact is that the Ellinger neglect is no different that the drunken pastors at Anaheim, any way, who spent their time lifting hands in praise and eye gazing up up to god to inteceeding while neglecting their children...of course Russell would not condemn them. He was too busy judging the frustrated co-dendant wives like myself who were not exalting their husband's lofty postions enough.
The flocks were decieved in soo many groups. The ones I was not a part of had family relationship with many key leaders. We all listened to tthe tapes. so it was difficult to seperate even when people walked away from the walk.
Rus and J would come over to my house after Anahiem service condemning me for missing a meeting on Saturday. I worked graveyard shift of 12 to 18 hours and had to grab a few hours of sleep now and then to go work my 2nd job and they did not get it. They were so holier than thou. I was critisied for my husband's underware and other clothes being all over the floor and spills of juice he used to mix vodka. My messy house was my bad spirit...i "should have been serving my god head" but I would not pick up after the drunken slob.
I am certain the big boys in the back room in Ananheim were really no better than "my drunk." JRS was an alcoholic I know, so is it possible that martha had a right to get pissy with him like I did with "my orcle of god"?
I don't get it. What was Jeanne and Russell's pay off? He was a seasoned minister who complained for years in Iowa that he was up minitering to the flock in Washington and only got 7 hours of sleep. Jeanne was the widow of a long time elder in Washington. The Ellingers were older than most when the walk took off. They had experienced life...yet they could not see what was going on in the back room they were privy to?
Jeanne ran Russell. He had worked a job some, but never supported himself nor cooked a meal. nor mowed the law. He was no saint no matter how many King James verbage he regurgitated with his eyes lifted up and hands raised.
I see a pattern of the leadership men "doing god's work" while the women worked their behinds off to support the house hold. yes, it is a tremendous responcibility to manage a church. it takes time and dedication to pastor.it is an honorable position. Yet the thithe did not support the bulk of the pastors in the walk. the sacrificial collections went into the Queens jewelry box.
Russell lived off of my late mother in law and her mother's money for the more part. He did hold some jobs. He neglected his children and wife. Yet when he died so many people at Shilo talked like he was a saint. or did they? My son would like to know what he really did other then generously donate his grand chidlren's inheritence from theri wealthy gret grand parents.
Russell did not have a word from god any more than any other M's "yes" man did. ( I kind of want to say "I'm sorry". and then again I don't. Words from god and speaking in tongues were just jiberish out of their heads that were laughed at for the fun of it in the office of a least Washinton. Prophsey was joke to some of the leaders. I supposed the real sincere took their commision seriously..the ones who sacrificed it all. I don't want to lump the greedy with the god fearing who dedicated themselves to the love of GOD. How do we sperate the wolves in sheep clothes from the sweet sheep?)
Am I bitter like they pointed a finger at me? Maybe...I think more angry... but not in the spiritual way the women said who were King Makers who controlled those men. I want to heal and I want the wouned to heal too.
M controlled the weak men to make them look like paternalistic kings so she could secretly be the queens of heaven. My father in law was controlled by a submissive looking 2nd wife. There was an illusion for the perfect relationships that never existed for how many?
I see a pattern of figure heads that were so disfunctional in some leaders. not all. The walk did have good men who loved god so much...but how did it get so out of control? How many in Anaheim died of drug over doses? How many arrests for drug dealing? How many women who knew too much eneded up in psych? ( I confess I ended in psych. I also had to call DHS for help. They took my kids knowing that they wer part of the chidlren in the Walk. That is how I was able to get my children out of the walk. The stories Russel told were not accurate.)
Can "we" honestly answer our own choices of behavior? I believe most of us wanted to know GOD, the real GOD. But we were afraid to not "look" the spiritual part. "We" had herd mentality beleiveing we would have herd immunity from the disease of "Babylon". We would ride on the shirt tails of the prophets.
It was not spiritual warfare. The spirit was booze talking to cover up a woman's plot for power and control. We were all raped by the whore of babyon her self. "We" fell into a delussion afraid to say that we did not see a "naked king in his new clothes." And when we did see and tell the truh, we were shuned. ( The smae dangerous patterns are seen in other cults and even soem main stream denomantions. We are not unique. Nor are we much better than the Germans during Nazi era I am ashamed to say.)
I apologize for being harsh. I write this with all due respect a love to those who simply wanted to have a loving relationship with Jehova our creator so much that we were suckers lead by people who could not run their own lives. May the ugly truth will set us free.
caos1952 you nail it about M being the Jezabel...she was a the filthy pot calling the kettle black as distraction from the the real truth. Accused everyone else while she/ built her kingdom.
"There is a word from God, one that didn't come out of the mouth of John though. It comes from the Bible. It speaks of a day when a man will be called a prophet and he will answer "I am no prophet, I am a tiller of the ground."
LOL inappropriately with the phrase "tiller of the the ground". There is a commonly used word that starts with F that litterly means to "plow the field". We all got screwed by the "leading of the lord" ...Lord M.
larrylobo said " oppression of drunken shepherds who could not run their own lives.." Amen Bro. Did many of the flock know about all the boozing and 'not wasting comunion wine?' Yeah, many leaders were drunk at services or passing out drugs at a number of groups in the walk. ( I was involved in 1/ dozen personally.)
I may as well blurt this out: My father-in law was Russell Ellinger. oh yeah. I was a big Jez because i complained that my husband, could not keep a job. He was so disfunctional. Even ingdom business coudll not get enough slvae labor ourt of him. He spend my earnings as a nurse on booze then there was no money to buy milk for the kids and he did not care. Yet Russell was so sure his son John was an oricle of god..cough cough... Russell and jeanne were at Anaheim so often so why did Russell a defrocked ordained minister not see the crap behind the pulpit? He was also defrocked from 4 square as well as JRS He was college educated. He was actually one of the very few ordained ministers with actual training...don't be impressed. Maybe the training and degree was part of why jrs and M let him stay around. Russelll had enough of his own dirty little secrets. Yes, I am speaking ill of the dead. "The sins of the father thing last for generations."
Russell was still playing Cho cho train on the ground in college like little boy until one a college friend told him it was time to 'grow up'. I don;t he he did grow up liek he pretended
After he married Wilma he went off to be a missionary in Jamaca where he aparently fathered a kid or so. Wilma was a teacher. She and John lived free on her family farm. All but $5 of her teacher salary was sent to support Russell work in Jamaca. My husband used to fantasize that his daddy would come home and play ball with him. " But my daddy never did play ball with me," They joined Christain Tabernacle around 1960 or '61. He was not a Stevens faimily meember nor an old elder of the core families, but they let him act like a pastor kind of guy.
Airing dirty laundry decades after the fact i think is so not nice. But the fact is that the Ellinger neglect is no different that the drunken pastors at Anaheim, any way, who spent their time lifting hands in praise and eye gazing up up to god to inteceeding while neglecting their children...of course Russell would not condemn them. He was too busy judging the frustrated co-dendant wives like myself who were not exalting their husband's lofty postions enough.
The flocks were decieved in soo many groups. The ones I was not a part of had family relationship with many key leaders. We all listened to tthe tapes. so it was difficult to seperate even when people walked away from the walk.
Rus and J would come over to my house after Anahiem service condemning me for missing a meeting on Saturday. I worked graveyard shift of 12 to 18 hours and had to grab a few hours of sleep now and then to go work my 2nd job and they did not get it. They were so holier than thou. I was critisied for my husband's underware and other clothes being all over the floor and spills of juice he used to mix vodka. My messy house was my bad spirit...i "should have been serving my god head" but I would not pick up after the drunken slob.
I am certain the big boys in the back room in Ananheim were really no better than "my drunk." JRS was an alcoholic I know, so is it possible that martha had a right to get pissy with him like I did with "my orcle of god"?
I don't get it. What was Jeanne and Russell's pay off? He was a seasoned minister who complained for years in Iowa that he was up minitering to the flock in Washington and only got 7 hours of sleep. Jeanne was the widow of a long time elder in Washington. The Ellingers were older than most when the walk took off. They had experienced life...yet they could not see what was going on in the back room they were privy to?
Jeanne ran Russell. He had worked a job some, but never supported himself nor cooked a meal. nor mowed the law. He was no saint no matter how many King James verbage he regurgitated with his eyes lifted up and hands raised.
I see a pattern of the leadership men "doing god's work" while the women worked their behinds off to support the house hold. yes, it is a tremendous responcibility to manage a church. it takes time and dedication to pastor.it is an honorable position. Yet the thithe did not support the bulk of the pastors in the walk. the sacrificial collections went into the Queens jewelry box.
Russell lived off of my late mother in law and her mother's money for the more part. He did hold some jobs. He neglected his children and wife. Yet when he died so many people at Shilo talked like he was a saint. or did they? My son would like to know what he really did other then generously donate his grand chidlren's inheritence from theri wealthy gret grand parents.
Russell did not have a word from god any more than any other M's "yes" man did. ( I kind of want to say "I'm sorry". and then again I don't. Words from god and speaking in tongues were just jiberish out of their heads that were laughed at for the fun of it in the office of a least Washinton. Prophsey was joke to some of the leaders. I supposed the real sincere took their commision seriously..the ones who sacrificed it all. I don't want to lump the greedy with the god fearing who dedicated themselves to the love of GOD. How do we sperate the wolves in sheep clothes from the sweet sheep?)
Am I bitter like they pointed a finger at me? Maybe...I think more angry... but not in the spiritual way the women said who were King Makers who controlled those men. I want to heal and I want the wouned to heal too.
M controlled the weak men to make them look like paternalistic kings so she could secretly be the queens of heaven. My father in law was controlled by a submissive looking 2nd wife. There was an illusion for the perfect relationships that never existed for how many?
I see a pattern of figure heads that were so disfunctional in some leaders. not all. The walk did have good men who loved god so much...but how did it get so out of control? How many in Anaheim died of drug over doses? How many arrests for drug dealing? How many women who knew too much eneded up in psych? ( I confess I ended in psych. I also had to call DHS for help. They took my kids knowing that they wer part of the chidlren in the Walk. That is how I was able to get my children out of the walk. The stories Russel told were not accurate.)
Can "we" honestly answer our own choices of behavior? I believe most of us wanted to know GOD, the real GOD. But we were afraid to not "look" the spiritual part. "We" had herd mentality beleiveing we would have herd immunity from the disease of "Babylon". We would ride on the shirt tails of the prophets.
It was not spiritual warfare. The spirit was booze talking to cover up a woman's plot for power and control. We were all raped by the whore of babyon her self. "We" fell into a delussion afraid to say that we did not see a "naked king in his new clothes." And when we did see and tell the truh, we were shuned. ( The smae dangerous patterns are seen in other cults and even soem main stream denomantions. We are not unique. Nor are we much better than the Germans during Nazi era I am ashamed to say.)
I apologize for being harsh. I write this with all due respect a love to those who simply wanted to have a loving relationship with Jehova our creator so much that we were suckers lead by people who could not run their own lives. May the ugly truth will set us free.
