larry lobo you wrote " I personaly believe John's interest in the occult resulted in open doors that were never meant to be opened in our Christian walk"
i agree. I wonder if newer folks knew about the witch.
In mid 60's a practicing witch was in the Valley, I think. That church building was new. When I made a visit she was there.
Please correct any memory mistakes. She supposedly had "repented" . JRS learned a lot from her he said. I think he justified it as how to defeat the devil or something like that. He did seem to love to learn new things. ( He also seemed to like to plagerize and claim new revelations. We did not have internet back then, and I doubt our home encyclopeidas covered thsoe things he read.)
Around that time the hIppies had Love-in's. So the Walk adpated the term to "Bless-in" where the group practiced things like "imparting" and "aura building. One ,pre of the principles he learned from the witch ( I think they call themsleves wickans now.) was the left hand over the right and in a circle. then we I guess meditataed, but he called it __ waiting on th elord. Then we spoke in tonques and prophisied. but I honestly think no one spoke in tongues. I really don't think any of us teen could disern our way out of a paper bag. But the leaders encouraged us that we were filled with the spirit. I hated faking it. I hated pretending. it tookk me years to be filled with the spirit and wonder what the hell was worng with me?
There was lot lot of energy in the room at bless in. The hands got very warm. That was supposed to be the out pouring of the spirit. I thought is was so many people too close for comfort in the same room. i was the kind of girl that did not really want to darw attention to myslef. ( personal issues)
I had not thought about this for a long time. What I remember most off the top of head is I wore curlers and as scraf one night. It was hard for my peers "build my aura" with curlers in my hair. At least I did not use empty oj cans.
We were actualy using occult practices as teen agers on Saturday nights in Washinton. That was scandleous in the mid west. I don't recall the adults partook.Except we gave a powerful domonstration to show the old foggeies how spiritually powerful we teen were. I do recall some kids would pass out becasue they locked their knees- some thought it was because they were slain in the spirit. Some older colleg kids said they shut their circulation off and should be sure to bend their knees a bit.
JRS taught us those things. he learned from the witch. Did we grow spiritually according to word of God?
The witch ended up leaving, but, there was something amiss with the exit.
I think that was the first time when I met M on a trip to CA.. (I'm getting old here) I, a dumb Iowas girl was just sure M was flirting and bossy him around. I asked who she was and found out she was the secretary. What do I know? I was 14 or 15 and did not understand squat about the ways of the world on th west coast.
This may or may not be related. Around that time, there was a woman who came to church against her husband's wishes. She went any way. She got councel and I was told that the brothers basically told her to submit to her husband. divorse was wrong.
Long story short they told her to stay with him desite her pleas as she feared for her life. When she went home, the husband killed her and hacked her too pieces along with the furniture. he got off on some thing like crime of passion then married his girl friend....don't quote me. There have to be people around who remember. ( i really ahd to qustion how wish the elders were when they ministered to people.)
So after that one of my older peers sister was getting beat to a bloddy pulp by her husband. The church helped her escape and hide her. Grandp Stevne told us over the pulpit that we don't condone divorce, but we will not tolerate domestic abuse. We would no tmake the same mistake again as had happened.
AFter that I beli3ve a lot more divores happened. My own sister got divorced and was very quiet about what went on for long time. it shocked me as I had no idea that people would do those things. and it makes me sick as to what she told me waht golden boys were into... occultish perversion.
i have no idea what jrs stance or involvement was. I do know that I did not understand why the "naughty" boys may have seemed to have been condoned while my gay friend Arthur was regected. I was not informed directly other than what my sisiter told me happened.
it is no make sense to me and my sheltered teen age perseption was immmature. But I knew somethings was very much not ok. I ws confused. CA kids would taunt me as to how naive I was and asked me stuff like if I still used out houses. My wardrobe was out of date. How Christian is that? I am not bitter. I just never understood how this could be so off and every one seemed ok with it. I was a minor from Iowa.
Mid to late 60's I did not fit-in in CA. JRS wanted me to come out to Blix house then thankfully the lord changed his mind.
I feel ashamed to have to reveal this. i feel gross. But, I think there will be others to confirmed this. if they are not in fear. this was JRS era a few years before the teens in CA and Iowa had a dream for a big church camp that did not have out houses in Iowa. We never imaged that Shiloh would be more than a retreat we did not have to rent adn could go to when ever the spirit moved.
i agree. I wonder if newer folks knew about the witch.
In mid 60's a practicing witch was in the Valley, I think. That church building was new. When I made a visit she was there.
Please correct any memory mistakes. She supposedly had "repented" . JRS learned a lot from her he said. I think he justified it as how to defeat the devil or something like that. He did seem to love to learn new things. ( He also seemed to like to plagerize and claim new revelations. We did not have internet back then, and I doubt our home encyclopeidas covered thsoe things he read.)
Around that time the hIppies had Love-in's. So the Walk adpated the term to "Bless-in" where the group practiced things like "imparting" and "aura building. One ,pre of the principles he learned from the witch ( I think they call themsleves wickans now.) was the left hand over the right and in a circle. then we I guess meditataed, but he called it __ waiting on th elord. Then we spoke in tonques and prophisied. but I honestly think no one spoke in tongues. I really don't think any of us teen could disern our way out of a paper bag. But the leaders encouraged us that we were filled with the spirit. I hated faking it. I hated pretending. it tookk me years to be filled with the spirit and wonder what the hell was worng with me?
There was lot lot of energy in the room at bless in. The hands got very warm. That was supposed to be the out pouring of the spirit. I thought is was so many people too close for comfort in the same room. i was the kind of girl that did not really want to darw attention to myslef. ( personal issues)
I had not thought about this for a long time. What I remember most off the top of head is I wore curlers and as scraf one night. It was hard for my peers "build my aura" with curlers in my hair. At least I did not use empty oj cans.
We were actualy using occult practices as teen agers on Saturday nights in Washinton. That was scandleous in the mid west. I don't recall the adults partook.Except we gave a powerful domonstration to show the old foggeies how spiritually powerful we teen were. I do recall some kids would pass out becasue they locked their knees- some thought it was because they were slain in the spirit. Some older colleg kids said they shut their circulation off and should be sure to bend their knees a bit.
JRS taught us those things. he learned from the witch. Did we grow spiritually according to word of God?
The witch ended up leaving, but, there was something amiss with the exit.
I think that was the first time when I met M on a trip to CA.. (I'm getting old here) I, a dumb Iowas girl was just sure M was flirting and bossy him around. I asked who she was and found out she was the secretary. What do I know? I was 14 or 15 and did not understand squat about the ways of the world on th west coast.
This may or may not be related. Around that time, there was a woman who came to church against her husband's wishes. She went any way. She got councel and I was told that the brothers basically told her to submit to her husband. divorse was wrong.
Long story short they told her to stay with him desite her pleas as she feared for her life. When she went home, the husband killed her and hacked her too pieces along with the furniture. he got off on some thing like crime of passion then married his girl friend....don't quote me. There have to be people around who remember. ( i really ahd to qustion how wish the elders were when they ministered to people.)
So after that one of my older peers sister was getting beat to a bloddy pulp by her husband. The church helped her escape and hide her. Grandp Stevne told us over the pulpit that we don't condone divorce, but we will not tolerate domestic abuse. We would no tmake the same mistake again as had happened.
AFter that I beli3ve a lot more divores happened. My own sister got divorced and was very quiet about what went on for long time. it shocked me as I had no idea that people would do those things. and it makes me sick as to what she told me waht golden boys were into... occultish perversion.
i have no idea what jrs stance or involvement was. I do know that I did not understand why the "naughty" boys may have seemed to have been condoned while my gay friend Arthur was regected. I was not informed directly other than what my sisiter told me happened.
it is no make sense to me and my sheltered teen age perseption was immmature. But I knew somethings was very much not ok. I ws confused. CA kids would taunt me as to how naive I was and asked me stuff like if I still used out houses. My wardrobe was out of date. How Christian is that? I am not bitter. I just never understood how this could be so off and every one seemed ok with it. I was a minor from Iowa.
Mid to late 60's I did not fit-in in CA. JRS wanted me to come out to Blix house then thankfully the lord changed his mind.
I feel ashamed to have to reveal this. i feel gross. But, I think there will be others to confirmed this. if they are not in fear. this was JRS era a few years before the teens in CA and Iowa had a dream for a big church camp that did not have out houses in Iowa. We never imaged that Shiloh would be more than a retreat we did not have to rent adn could go to when ever the spirit moved.