There is no doubt that many church of the Living Word memembers during the jrs era would have ptsd. If still, alive which members may have no conscience about more than honest mistakes? There were many very good men and families in the early churches. What role did they play in the really over the line indiscretions and lie cover ups? whye were some folks exempt from confessing in front of the congregaton?
Which former members expelled as nepulim out lived their spouses? Have the newer members who heard leader were divorced ever wondered why they were so spiritually blind to have married a Jezbel or Nephulim? And why were "we storming heaven" to kill these people? Is that a hate crime?
Since my death was prayer for, I questioned and argued so often, I will hazard a guess those those otehr owmen knew too much, too.
( Walt Disney was said to be a Neph. so some one told us to stay away from disney land. I lived with in in walking distance or got fee passes from where I worked, so i was rebelious. i went to Disney land with my kids. I may have picked up some eveil spirits. oh my!)
I have no first hand knowedge of whAt went on after my close contacts in the wk alhave passed. Only have the missing puzzles pieces I witnessed myself in the 60's to 80's. I was well grounded in the word. I see now tath there wasa a lot of not so Biblical and not spiritual things going on . Only illusions.
Is that a crime if you chose to buy snake oil from a con? Shame on us for buying bottle after bottle of sanke oil. I think we have to take repsoncibility for our choies. Where might the legal line be drawn that which leaders crossed over?
Statues of limitations may be up" I don't know. And I don't know what each individual may have to claim against the church will be so variable.
So getting reparation would be questionable as to what laws are in place; witnesses; long term damage; proof as in evidence etc.
I was advised that ptsd scars will always be a scar. closure would involved forgiving the wrong doers. Problem with the kids in some kingdom schools and I don't know how many all over the country, is that they had no part in their parents' choice to "volunteer for the walk" . The kids could not walk away.
Witnesses are either dead or seperated/ divided by location.(Dead man tell no tales. But is it not intereseted so many leaders died before their time?
If this could become a class action, those involved would have to prove membership; tax deduction for tiths. However it could boomerang if you claim you worked for a Kingdom biz as "slave labor" and you got wefare. or were getting benifits and working uder the table....this coud be so me that the leaders used to manipuate individuals. The reasons will be very broad.
Some who may need to apply for ssi, ssdi, or soc sec may not have paid into the system. That is a problem. But if the world would have ended in 1979 and we lived in the kingdom on earth we would not have a worry, would we?
Now, if perchance, any one can claim of ptsd from"slave labor" or mental abuse etc a good lawayer on ther otehr side woudl bring up mental illness or bad habits, jail time etc was the real cause of " you being so stupid as to not walk away. It was your won fault and you donated." ( Sorry for my harsh words. But lawyers are trained to dig deep and intimidate winesses)
Please note: not every church memember had the same problem occur as did others. EVen people whom we still knew for years claim they never had any indication of a probem of abuse in the same "kingdom school"
I also asked a knowledgeable person about the sale of churches. I'm not taking the time to look it up myself. the laws woud very from state to state. But I have a big question...who got them money from the property when all of these churches closed?...
I would think that there would be board of directors' trustees. I would like ther would be some kind of by-laws about how the money was to be divided if sold. or were the closed chruches bank rupt? I don't recall ever going to a business meeting. Maybe I was busy or not interested.
But when i joined ainstream churches members were always, always invited and encourage to give input and vote. I wasa kind of dsiturbed that there seemed to be no prayer or leading of the lord involved but strict business. Example: buying sound equipment for what kind of music that would draw mor people in to increase the offerings. Advertising for a worship director to hire ( what salary) that would bring in the most new comers and increase the offering. it may have been worded differntly in a churchish way, but is was every bit as musch as profit loss of a business.
i found it odd that the church biz meeting involved interviewing new youth pastors and potential salary and benefits. The commiment cards for tithe. It took bit for me to grasp the concept of being a pastor or secretary or book keeper was a paid careerer.
Does any one else share my naive observation?
I think we who contributing members had a right to know where the money was going. I can't say that I ever knew exactly on paper. Who might have those books now? ( I did over hear conversations from out side the curch office at one church LW by accident. I was also in a number of leader's homes in 3 states. I can say I lived far more frugally than they did.)
I would think that if your former walk meeting place closed down you could go to the local court house to start asking questions how you can find out how the money from the sale was distributed?
Please note: what I have claimed at certain churches certainly may not be what when on in other groups. But leaders in key churches did go on the road to the smaller church all over the country.
Sorry this is so long. My final statement is there seems to be some real fear. The support from others on these pages is wonderful. I hope survivors gets theri wheels turning in a postive way on some things I will say below. Remember I am not an expert. I have been researching and stil don;t know what course we want to take fro my son abuse ( Yes is was reported. But not handled well at all. Ther shuld be documented evdience of reports from a number of families. Thea child abuse soical workers system did a very poor job at that time. they historically made a lot of really big mistakes. But documents can be peiced togeher by some one if enough people can be cool calm and collected to request an investigation if we are willing to open a can of worms that will stink.
do not wish to get rich and famous from opening the can or worms. It will be releasing demons from Pandoras box you never imagined.
From several sources of information ( hersay) I am getting hints survivors feeling harrased; intimidated; threathened; cohersed; fearful etc. I encourage you to google the laws on threats via USPS. The post master general may be interested in gathering evidence. You have the right to ask your postal clerk with out much info how to turn a copy of something over to the post master general. they investigate mail fraud and mail theft differently than local police who tend to blow you off if is something sounds crazy.
Any threats or percieved threats on-line or email can be investigated as that is illegal as well. At some fine point homeland security may want to be involved. ( I got this from a credible retired military officer.
Postal codes and IP addressed can be zeroed in on.
Facbook frowns on false identities and trolls. Threats etc can be reported to FB. REad theri TOS Terms of sERvice carefully.
The IRS may be wanting a few puzzles pieces as well.
If you are reading my typos here, I am so happy you are still alive. If you are hurting, you are not alone. You have old friends some where who love you. so hang in there as we find the best solutions with what we have to work with.
I have had done my best to give as accurate info as possible tha I can recall. My wording may not be the best or interpretrated as I intended. I want the truth to come out. In the year 2018 we are all wiser than we were in years past about cults. Most of us were never prepared to see the warning signs.
Which former members expelled as nepulim out lived their spouses? Have the newer members who heard leader were divorced ever wondered why they were so spiritually blind to have married a Jezbel or Nephulim? And why were "we storming heaven" to kill these people? Is that a hate crime?
Since my death was prayer for, I questioned and argued so often, I will hazard a guess those those otehr owmen knew too much, too.
( Walt Disney was said to be a Neph. so some one told us to stay away from disney land. I lived with in in walking distance or got fee passes from where I worked, so i was rebelious. i went to Disney land with my kids. I may have picked up some eveil spirits. oh my!)
I have no first hand knowedge of whAt went on after my close contacts in the wk alhave passed. Only have the missing puzzles pieces I witnessed myself in the 60's to 80's. I was well grounded in the word. I see now tath there wasa a lot of not so Biblical and not spiritual things going on . Only illusions.
Is that a crime if you chose to buy snake oil from a con? Shame on us for buying bottle after bottle of sanke oil. I think we have to take repsoncibility for our choies. Where might the legal line be drawn that which leaders crossed over?
Statues of limitations may be up" I don't know. And I don't know what each individual may have to claim against the church will be so variable.
So getting reparation would be questionable as to what laws are in place; witnesses; long term damage; proof as in evidence etc.
I was advised that ptsd scars will always be a scar. closure would involved forgiving the wrong doers. Problem with the kids in some kingdom schools and I don't know how many all over the country, is that they had no part in their parents' choice to "volunteer for the walk" . The kids could not walk away.
Witnesses are either dead or seperated/ divided by location.(Dead man tell no tales. But is it not intereseted so many leaders died before their time?
If this could become a class action, those involved would have to prove membership; tax deduction for tiths. However it could boomerang if you claim you worked for a Kingdom biz as "slave labor" and you got wefare. or were getting benifits and working uder the table....this coud be so me that the leaders used to manipuate individuals. The reasons will be very broad.
Some who may need to apply for ssi, ssdi, or soc sec may not have paid into the system. That is a problem. But if the world would have ended in 1979 and we lived in the kingdom on earth we would not have a worry, would we?
Now, if perchance, any one can claim of ptsd from"slave labor" or mental abuse etc a good lawayer on ther otehr side woudl bring up mental illness or bad habits, jail time etc was the real cause of " you being so stupid as to not walk away. It was your won fault and you donated." ( Sorry for my harsh words. But lawyers are trained to dig deep and intimidate winesses)
Please note: not every church memember had the same problem occur as did others. EVen people whom we still knew for years claim they never had any indication of a probem of abuse in the same "kingdom school"
I also asked a knowledgeable person about the sale of churches. I'm not taking the time to look it up myself. the laws woud very from state to state. But I have a big question...who got them money from the property when all of these churches closed?...
I would think that there would be board of directors' trustees. I would like ther would be some kind of by-laws about how the money was to be divided if sold. or were the closed chruches bank rupt? I don't recall ever going to a business meeting. Maybe I was busy or not interested.
But when i joined ainstream churches members were always, always invited and encourage to give input and vote. I wasa kind of dsiturbed that there seemed to be no prayer or leading of the lord involved but strict business. Example: buying sound equipment for what kind of music that would draw mor people in to increase the offerings. Advertising for a worship director to hire ( what salary) that would bring in the most new comers and increase the offering. it may have been worded differntly in a churchish way, but is was every bit as musch as profit loss of a business.
i found it odd that the church biz meeting involved interviewing new youth pastors and potential salary and benefits. The commiment cards for tithe. It took bit for me to grasp the concept of being a pastor or secretary or book keeper was a paid careerer.
Does any one else share my naive observation?
I think we who contributing members had a right to know where the money was going. I can't say that I ever knew exactly on paper. Who might have those books now? ( I did over hear conversations from out side the curch office at one church LW by accident. I was also in a number of leader's homes in 3 states. I can say I lived far more frugally than they did.)
I would think that if your former walk meeting place closed down you could go to the local court house to start asking questions how you can find out how the money from the sale was distributed?
Please note: what I have claimed at certain churches certainly may not be what when on in other groups. But leaders in key churches did go on the road to the smaller church all over the country.
Sorry this is so long. My final statement is there seems to be some real fear. The support from others on these pages is wonderful. I hope survivors gets theri wheels turning in a postive way on some things I will say below. Remember I am not an expert. I have been researching and stil don;t know what course we want to take fro my son abuse ( Yes is was reported. But not handled well at all. Ther shuld be documented evdience of reports from a number of families. Thea child abuse soical workers system did a very poor job at that time. they historically made a lot of really big mistakes. But documents can be peiced togeher by some one if enough people can be cool calm and collected to request an investigation if we are willing to open a can of worms that will stink.
do not wish to get rich and famous from opening the can or worms. It will be releasing demons from Pandoras box you never imagined.
From several sources of information ( hersay) I am getting hints survivors feeling harrased; intimidated; threathened; cohersed; fearful etc. I encourage you to google the laws on threats via USPS. The post master general may be interested in gathering evidence. You have the right to ask your postal clerk with out much info how to turn a copy of something over to the post master general. they investigate mail fraud and mail theft differently than local police who tend to blow you off if is something sounds crazy.
Any threats or percieved threats on-line or email can be investigated as that is illegal as well. At some fine point homeland security may want to be involved. ( I got this from a credible retired military officer.
Postal codes and IP addressed can be zeroed in on.
Facbook frowns on false identities and trolls. Threats etc can be reported to FB. REad theri TOS Terms of sERvice carefully.
The IRS may be wanting a few puzzles pieces as well.
If you are reading my typos here, I am so happy you are still alive. If you are hurting, you are not alone. You have old friends some where who love you. so hang in there as we find the best solutions with what we have to work with.
I have had done my best to give as accurate info as possible tha I can recall. My wording may not be the best or interpretrated as I intended. I want the truth to come out. In the year 2018 we are all wiser than we were in years past about cults. Most of us were never prepared to see the warning signs.
