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1981 Stolen Child: Where is Holly Marie?

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Hello,

I'm searching for information on a child who was the daughter of two Texas murder victims discovered January 12, 1981 in a rural wooded site in Houston. There is strong evidence that a religious cult was involved in their murders and the abduction of their daughter.

Dean Clouse, 21 and his wife, Tina, 17 were both natives of New Smyrna Beach, Florida. Dean was a carpenter with a history of briefly associating with religious cults as a teenager in Florida. The couple was not known, however, to have associated with a cult in Texas where they moved in order for Dean to work for builder D.R. Horton.

Holly Marie Clouse was last seen in late October 1980 when she and her parents were living in Lewisville, Texas. No one knows why her parents' bodies were found in Houston a few weeks later in January - whether they were lured there by work or something else, or whether they were simply dumped there. The couple remained a John and Jane Doe for 41 years until their identities were made by forensic genetic genealogy.

A few weeks after the murders (unbeknownst to the family) someone impersonating law enforcement called and notified Dean's mother that her car (loaned to Dean for the trip) was found in Los Angeles and had been wiped clean of fingerprints or other evidence and asked her if she wanted it returned. A few days later he called again and said he had found someone to drive the car to her if she would pay them 1000.00 when they arrived.

Someone calling herself "Sister Susan" insisted on meeting Dean's mother at midnight at Daytona Speedway in Florida. Five different police agencies eventually responded to the scene and supported her in repossessing her car without paying the woman a dime. Sister Susan was about 30 years old and was accompanied by two teenaged girls. They all wore white robes and the two girls deferred to the older woman when they tried to speak and she subdued them with a look and a hand gesture.

No records from their 1981 interactions with police have been found, and police were not able to charge them with anything since they were returning property. At the time of the return Sister Susan told Dean's family that they "have joined our cult and don't want to have any contact with you." The family had no idea at the time that the couple was already dead.

Because Holly was not found with her parents, there is hope that she might still be alive. My company is managing DNA profiles for several family members in case Holly ever tests her DNA with a direct to consumer company like Ancestry, FTDNA, MyHeritage, or 23andMe. The profiles have also been uploaded to GEDmatch.

Photos, a NCMEC age-progression portrait, and more information, including how to contact us is found on Facebook and our company website:

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If you have any information on a child fitting Holly's description, or were raised by someone other than your biological parents and think you could be Holly, please test your DNA with AncestryDNA. Your family may be waiting for you in your matches.

Thank you!

Allison Peacock, Investigative Genealogist
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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens

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An example of answering a question by revelation.

Question: Who is the drunk guy driving the red golf cart?

Answer: That is King David

/s

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changedagain Wrote:
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An example of answering a question by revelation.

Question: Who is the drunk guy driving the red golf cart?

Answer: That is King David

/s


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To this day, I cannot stand the sight of golf carts. Good thing I don't play golf, I guess.

Too many memories of "dear leaders", drinks in hand, being driven around the cult compound in golf carts. And always with servants trotting alongside to fulfill their every request and shield them from the unwashed masses.

Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens

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Too many memories of "dear leaders", drinks in hand, being driven around the cult compound in golf carts. And always with servants trotting alongside to fulfill their every request and shield them from the unwashed masses.

I bet not one of them bothered to feed Rick's horse.

Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens

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Too many memories of "dear leaders", drinks in hand, being driven around the cult compound in golf carts. And always with servants trotting alongside to fulfill their every request and shield them from the unwashed masses.

Were there any stops to feed Rick's horse?
Nevermind

Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens

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I came across this quote this morning, and it certainly rings true. Since it is political in nature, I have no problem if it's removed:

"Note that when Putin says "Russia" he means "me." He fears his own loss of power."
-Anne Applebaum

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Changedagain,

As you probably surmised, not once did any leaders stop to feed or care for Rick's horse.

Rick did briefly try to talk cult members into networking their backyards to allow him to drive through without having to drive in the street. God only knows what kind of a nightmare scenario that would have created.

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Reep wrote:
Rick did briefly try to talk cult members into networking their backyards to allow him to drive through without having to drive in the street. God only knows what kind of a nightmare scenario that would have created.

It's strange that all these highly perceptive "men of god" seemed to have no idea what Rick was up to most of the time. Perhaps "not listening to the Holy Spirit" was more widespread among church overseers than previously thought.

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In two weeks, it will be the 110th anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic. Here is a satire that I wrote and posted three years ago. The ending is strangely prophetic of what has actually happened with Gary and TLWF. There allegedly is no longer a TLWF, only Hargrave Ministries (previously known as Hargrave Family Ministries). Will these abusers never be held accountable?

So, in the TLWF analogy, who got away with all the accounts and who drowned?

Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: Reepicheep ()
Date: May 22, 2019 10:11AM


If TLWF Ran the Titanic

First of all, likening TLWF to the Titanic seems apropos right now because it is sinking fast. Because of that fact, I got to thinking about what it would have been like to sail on the Titanic with TLWF leaders making all the rules.

There would have to be a special dining room for the leaders (hereafter to be known as “Apostoic Fathering Ministry or APCO”), or it least a platform so that they could be above everyone else. The finest china, silverware and crystal would grace this area, while the rest of the passengers (hereafter to be know as “sheep") would use plastic and paper.

The sheep would pay the passage of APCO, and their own way as well. But Apostolic Fathering Ministry would be housed in the finest private rooms with their families, while the sheep would be packed in dorm rooms with strangers, otherwise known as “steerage”. Private bathrooms would be for Apostolic Fathering Ministry, while communal bathrooms would be for sheep. Sheep would clean the communal rooms and bathrooms. Special sheep would clean the private rooms and bathrooms. Chosen sheep would also serve at the tables, wash and iron the clothing and juice the juice of Apostolic Fathering Ministry.

Sheep would do all the work as well as attend services several times a day. If they became ill or injured from the harsh conditions, they would be made to feel terrible. They would be told that they had a bad spirit and were shirking their responsibilities.

When the ship crashed against an iceberg, the sheep would be told to gather for violent intercession. A scapegoat (hereafter known as a Nephilim) would be identified. The Nephilim would be prophesied against and ostracized. Eventually this evil person would be thrown overboard.

While all this was happening, the Apostolic Fathering Ministry would be hurriedly getting themselves, their families and big donors (known as lead sheep) into the few available lifeboats. If any sheep noticed or became concerned about this behavior, they would be thoroughly denounced and accused of position thinking.

As APCO sailed away in lifeboats with expensive wine to calm their nerves, the Titanic and the sheep would be sinking into the sea. I doubt that this would bother the Apostolic Fathering Ministry very much, since they only needed the sheep to pay their expenses and do all the work on the Titanic.

The above has been tongue-in-cheek and satirical in nature. And yet, if you think about it, it sounds eerily familiar.

Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens

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Yes. The memories come to me though... always. Mostly the house on Cohassette and what went on. Sue was pure evil and worshipped JRS and Jim, he was a puppet for JRS.
A not so bad of a memory was being placed with my twin at a collating machine. We collated for what seemed like for hours! I just know it was page after page we placed onto each of the booklets for the church.

So many memories that I hate.
They will never go away.

Personal experiences in Sepulveda /Shiloh

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I would like to read about any and all personal experiences with Jim and Sue Reling.

About how the Library at the Sepulveda church came about and any personal experiences at the Cohasset house.

Any experiences at the Printing shop ran by Jim Reling.

Besides the arranged marriages has anyone experienced arranged adoptions or relocation.

Experiences with Jim and Donna West and their daughter Dee Dee.

Thank you

Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens

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DahliaLost wrote:

So many memories that I hate.
They will never go away.


Yes. So true. I hope that you heal from the bad memories, DahliaLost. I hope that we all do.

I remember that collating machine. It was much easier than walking around and around a table with Sister Schwinger. Lol.

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You know so many memories I have! :)
Lucky to have become friends. Thank you.

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Was there a tree house of sorts in the front and the kids from the church would be allowed to play at times?

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DahliaLost wrote:

Was there a tree house of sorts in the front and the kids from the church would be allowed to play at times?

Do you mean in front of the church and school buildings? There were two big trees. No treehouse in my memory, though. They did build a playground in the courtyard surrounding the back of the school. Maybe there was a treehouse at one of the nearby houses?

When they say Peace and Safety soon cometh sudden destruction

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On September 2021 we said goodbye to Queensland , packed 2bags a piece loaded up our beloved cattle dog ,shipped her to America first and a month later we landed on American soil. Did we leave because it was a vacation ? No did we leave because of family needing us in the States no... We left because we had found that 12 years later after building our home on what we thought would be neutral ground became a compound ! It did not start that way , we did not want to say goodbye to those we loved some we have known all our lives ,others attended our wedding .but cults do not form over night and we were witnessing right before our eyes our beloved once simple Christian based family being brainwashed by kingdom now and word of faith heresy .
We started to see subtle changes
1. Changes in eating and diet habits
2. Subtle isolation became severe isolation as It's self made messiah became more and more controlling of this tiny church
3. Our beloved friends and some family members started to distance themselves from us
4 first using the children to draw them deep in
And later we would notice they stopped talking to us ,only but to wave hi when passing bye .
5 their father was first to be separated from his basic work of plumbing ,to given a better job with 5 kids and responsibility it seemed like a great opportunity , but as the separation took place it left his beloved wife vulnerable and alone with 5 little ones and there is when John Alley would begin .
1 using guilt by association to persuade this beautiful family into what is now become nothing more than a religious cult .
2 John Alley taught them to call him " father John " sounds endearing to call someone father or brother ,as everything was fine untill you upset him and then you was called out to feel his wrath
He would then use fear and intimidation to keep them in line
And used this excuse " if you don't bless this church or pay your tithes or without what belongs to the church you are bad evil deceitful and you will never prosper ?
This went on for years right under our noses ,and many that left this church were too afraid to speak up
They feared they would be cursed by the almighty John Kingsley Alley ! Many we talked to shared their stories of the mental ,financial and spiritual abuse .

We did not know what to say or how to help them out of this mess
But history has a way of reminding you what can happen when allowing this man that was allowed to take blank checks and walk in the car show room and buy anything his coveting and greedy heart desired ,laying claim it was for church use ?

This story would end here if it was not directly then going to effect us , so like a bush fire out of control Alley's greed intensified ,and then one day we got a knock at our door . The house we built with our own two hands their property was now going to be mortgaged and they wanted us to let a realtor come in and take pictures ? I said are you kidding me , seemed like the friends you once knew and loved even were at your wedding would be now cohursed into you selling your home just so father John could build a bigger church called peace ? With a dove ????? on it . Funny I never seen anything in the Bible about greed ,coveting anothers home or lying cheating and stealing your way to the top . We worked hard to build our home , but as my Godly grandmother always said you keep your friends close and your enemies closer :/ the greed and lies caused our friendship to dissolve and Alley won this fight we left it all ,the home ,the farm our farm animals ,the orchard and the garden GONE ! Our hearts are broken but We Trust that God will make a way and we Walk by Faith not sight ,settling for just a tiny 30 ft trailer and thankful we have family and loved ones that took us in untill we can hopefully build again .

Do we hate John Alley no
We pray for him and his family
We loved them and we laughed with them ,cried with them ,even broke bread with them . But as the Good Book speaks .. you must sometimes make hard secessions when remembering past history ... Remember Jones town and David Koresh , and the branch davidians? We had to leave for our own safety who knows if this could turn out to be another Jones town in Queensland ? My Lord I pray ???? they will open their God given eyes and run away ,don't look back and pray for those who are still in a church called Peace ?

Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens

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Reep wrote:
I remember that collating machine. It was much easier than walking around and around a table with Sister Schwinger. Lol.

Sister Schwinger? That sounds like a name for an 80's hair band.

(disregard this comment)

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Dahlia lost ... my wife and I remember you. My wife lived at Cohasset House when I was dating her in 1977. We both worked at FineLine at the time. She said Sue was not a good housekeeper, and my wife would clean house in the middle of the night when the Reling's were sleeping. You had a couple Saint Bernards as I recall. My wife remembers being there when Jim and Donna West were living there before the Relings and then Jim and Sue Reling. Sorry for the sorrows you have had to endure.

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Jep, we know about her laziness and to have others do her housekeeping. We did the tedious work methods of hers when others were not in the house.
Thank you for your words.
Sue was pure evil scum from the depths of hell! Jim was a little puppet to her and they were gross.

leaving the compound , the trail of tears and trauma

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I remember watching the TV need when the tragedy of Jonestown and watching in horror 909 bodies laying spread out across the Jonestown compound . Then a few short years later it happened again ,same method ,control ,abuse of power ,drugs ,guns ,and the abuse of this " non profit status of those forming dangerous groups under the banner of Christian ?

Who would ever thought we would build our home on a compound ? It just did not seem to be a set up for such a tragic loss ,leaving with a trail of tears ,heartbreak and dismay and horror but here we are telling you about it . It was not called a compound it was family and friends sharing land ,helping one another good times and bad , it did not happen overnight either 12 years on April 1and we found out who was being played a fool ,under the banner of Peace ? No! I said this is not happening not now ! We are almost retirement age ,everything we built was from ground up ,hard work and we even inscribed the Words Jesus Christ is the Rock of this foundation " as the footers locked in cement sealed the deal ,or so we thought . But as the years went buy ,the government turned from democratic to full on Socialist and the corruption was so deep ,we had no choice to leave our beloved home behind forever ;( you see our neighbors ,friends and loved ones ,like sheep to the slaughter were lured into this ideology that they are now building the kingdom of heaven ,and their pastor is apostolic gifted to be greedy? To take whever he wanted at the churches expense and yet our friends and family would live in a shed with 5 children ! We did not see the changes overnight , but it happened and it was by the Grace of God we left ,it was the most painful thing ever to experience not knowing if we will ever see them again . It took only 1 man to control it all and he welded some type of weird witchcraft to get whatever he wanted at the churches expense ? So much for his preaching and summits of " you can have anything you want just ask God ut give lots of money to father John and his family and they taught you was either in the remnant or you was a outcast . We attended that church a few times but it had the flavor of Hillsong all over it ,coffee shop ,kids playing and grouping together ,fun activities for all even trivia night. It was too good to be true . We almost became a member of Peace apostolic church ! Untill we ran into a few couples that shared such horrifying testimonies that it shook us to the very core the abuse of money more more give more , the fund raising abuse ,the dream of building a empire and a airport called peace avaition ! Wow it all looked so amazing surely God had blessed this church right ? It was chosen to stand alone in a small community calked Rockhampton Queensland. But we later found out it had turned Apostate and the very same things koresh and Jones would teach were strikingly similar , the isolation ,the food changes ,the change in their attitudes ,even their children stopped taking to us or coming by to say hello. The long days we would see them take off , gone on these summit type revival retreats , miracle conferences and the money poured in ,new cars new houses ,the church raised over 1million from marketing and we could not afford to give that amount of money , yet if you did not give you was considered the faithless ones , guilt was applied ,and his family grew richer and richer ,as we watched our friends and family grow poorer and do without . It made me sick to my stomach how much power this man and his teaching of sonship heresy had ! So after 12 years we left our beloved farm my husband built with his two hands ,and we walked out just 2 suitcases a piece ,the once Homeland we shared was now being controlled by a cult leader and they had brainwashed every last one of those 5 beautiful children and their mom and dad . People we knew for 2 decades . This is just the beginning of trying to heal from the hurt and betrayal ... To be continued
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