In the last 25 years me and my husband including his family and my family have been falsely led by these people called The Word of Faith movement prosperity preachers finally we have left the movement but the healing is not going to be overnight both of us are experiencing PTSD from past trauma of this heretical teaching it has divided my family we lost our house and now we must start all over. This is taken emotional toll on us as well as a spiritual toll financial and we are trying to connect with other people that have been in the word of faith movement cult like ourselves we are hoping to be able to connect with those in Ohio that have groups that we can attend people we can talk to and relate to. Talking and sharing is therapeutic and we should never stop talking about what has happened because when we stopped talking they win and we lose. Please if there's anybody out there that has been in Cults in Australia or in America please let us know if there are areas in Ohio that have groups where we can attend and get help so that we can heal thanks again for your support and allowing us to post on this channel. Rick Ross has been an inspiration and with his expertise and knowledge of cults and the characteristics of them and their leaders is people like him the help us escape from The Word of Faith movement.
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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Anyone hear about Tony Flores dying?
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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Hi Blowout,
I haven't heard anything. I didn't know Tony, but was told by a few former members of TLWF that he had been through some dreadful things while in the fellowship. If he did pass, I wish him peace.
I haven't heard anything. I didn't know Tony, but was told by a few former members of TLWF that he had been through some dreadful things while in the fellowship. If he did pass, I wish him peace.
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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Blowout,
No, I haven't heard anything about Tony dying. If you have any more info, could you please share or PM me? There have been multiple reports of him being a serial abuser, and of G&M and others covering for him.
No, I haven't heard anything about Tony dying. If you have any more info, could you please share or PM me? There have been multiple reports of him being a serial abuser, and of G&M and others covering for him.
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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Wow--I had it wrong. Thanks for the correction, Reep.
Reepicheep Wrote:
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> Blowout,
>
> No, I haven't heard anything about Tony dying. If
> you have any more info, could you please share or
> PM me? There have been multiple reports of him
> being a serial abuser, and of G&M and others
> covering for him.
Reepicheep Wrote:
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> Blowout,
>
> No, I haven't heard anything about Tony dying. If
> you have any more info, could you please share or
> PM me? There have been multiple reports of him
> being a serial abuser, and of G&M and others
> covering for him.
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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
@Reep: I will let you know if I hear any more. Information came from a what I would not normally consider a very reliable source but seems pretty sure of the fact and had no other info. You’re absolutely correct, Tony was an abuser of especially young males and in the “inner circle” from his direct involvement with JRS. So his behaviors were covered up by G&M as well as John and Chris Sayer. Like Rick,he was given lower positions of power due to his past behavior, but still access and authority over youths.
@changed: I have no doubt he also experienced the atrocities of the cult, but he definitely made himself a part of the problem, not the solution. I hold no ill will, but yeah, he would’nt be missed in my book.
@changed: I have no doubt he also experienced the atrocities of the cult, but he definitely made himself a part of the problem, not the solution. I hold no ill will, but yeah, he would’nt be missed in my book.
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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Thank you, Blowout. Much appreciated.
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Blowout Wrote:
> @changed: I have no doubt he also experienced the
> atrocities of the cult, but he definitely made
> himself a part of the problem, not the solution.
> I hold no ill will, but yeah, he would’nt be
> missed in my book.
No, I had things turned around. I've decided to blame this blunder on a lack of coffee.
Thanks for posting, Blowout.
> @changed: I have no doubt he also experienced the
> atrocities of the cult, but he definitely made
> himself a part of the problem, not the solution.
> I hold no ill will, but yeah, he would’nt be
> missed in my book.
No, I had things turned around. I've decided to blame this blunder on a lack of coffee.
Thanks for posting, Blowout.
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Tony was a stalker of young men and teens way back in the days he was “overseeing the booth at Shiloh. I could never understand why JRS and then Hargrave covered and protected him.
His tortured soul be at peace and resolute healing be for all those he had pursued.
His tortured soul be at peace and resolute healing be for all those he had pursued.
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Liamthomasusa Wrote:
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> Tony was a stalker of young men and teens way back
> in the days he was “overseeing the booth at
> Shiloh. I could never understand why JRS and then
> Hargrave covered and protected him.
Unconscionable
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> Tony was a stalker of young men and teens way back
> in the days he was “overseeing the booth at
> Shiloh. I could never understand why JRS and then
> Hargrave covered and protected him.
Unconscionable
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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
A thread from November 8-10, 2019:
Posted by: 40yearsin2016
Date: November 08, 2019 03:04PM
Hey Onion,
Glad you're here, and glad you're giving a little energy to speaking the truth to deception.
It took me decades to speak the word "cult" out loud. I was walked out of LWF in 1984-5 (cannot remember exactly, those years were so traumatic). I didn't speak the word "cult" out loud until 2016, believe it or not that was when I finally felt like I was leaving my cage.
So many have different life experiences having left the cult. One friend told me she spent a decade in therapy and still suffers PTSD at the mention of the name of the church, all these decades later. Another told me recently that there were "no regrets" for time in LWF - even though a sibling is still stuck there and they no longer speak.
Me, I have regrets, but I don't regret speaking out. I don't regret speaking the word "cult" out loud for all to hear.
Posted by: Reepicheep
Date: November 09, 2019 07:56AM
Thanks for chiming in, 40 Years. Always enjoy your insight. I have many regrets also. It took me a long time to come to the realization that TLWF is a cult. Like you, I don't regret speaking up and calling it what it is and always has been. I still hope that there will be some type of resolution for those who have been harmed the most. But even if all we do is leave warning signs for those who become free enough to read this forum, that's something.
Posted by: changedagain
Date: November 09, 2019 12:46PM
40 Years wrote:
It took me decades to speak the word "cult" out loud. I was walked out of LWF in 1984-5 (cannot remember exactly, those years were so traumatic).
Those were tumultuous years--even by Walk/TLWF 'standards.'
I do recall a few influential people in my life during that time period who could have accurately gone by the pseudonym 40ozInTheMorning. I think open containers were a sign you were on the path toward Sonship. That, and having fire in your eyes during the prayer sessions. Following John's death, there was an intercession focus on demanding that God bring him back. I was a participant in that nonsense.
Posted by: changedagain
Date: November 09, 2019 03:05PM
Reepicheep Wrote:
But even if all we do is leave warning signs for those who
become free enough to read this forum, that's something.
Even after 12 years of covering seemingly every gamut of this little cult, the discussion here still generates interest, perhaps (in part) because there is new info disclosed by a poster who previously not come forward. As fear recedes, participants are inclined to share suppressed cult memories, and the composite picture of what we've been through becomes more clear.
Posted by: Road to Damascus
Date: November 09, 2019 03:14PM
Interesting how I feel that the buildings at Shiloh are being emptied, auction to be held on the 23rd and the building to be totally shut down forever. An end of an era. Amazing what feelings and reactions this is causing in me. On one hand a rejoicing and on the other a sadness at thoughts of what occurred there.
Posted by: typer
Date: November 09, 2019 05:44PM
Changedagain: Yes.
I'm sorry I didn't break free much earlier. You and the other old time posters have provided courage for us new posters to help us find our voice, plus what Shalom has done for all of us. I am thankful for you. Leadership cloaked in so much darkness, we are now shining together to burn away the darkness.
Posted by: Imapurple
Date: November 09, 2019 07:43PM
It’s interesting looking back at a place like Shiloh where so much time was spent or even the Blix house or Johns house and remember all the things that went on. I completely understand the mixed feelings. So much of our lives were spent in these places. I have a deep sadness over so many things. Mostly from being let down from all the Hope’s and dreams. People who have passed or gone away. It’s like going back to a childhood home after all your friends are gone and remembering the times you had. So much crap happened in those places but it’s mixed with some good things too. I’m glad everything is coming down. It’s a new day and time for healing from all the hurt and pain.
Posted by: Liamthomasusa
Date: November 10, 2019 03:06PM
Imapurple
After reading your last post my emotions welled up within me....remembering that time when serving TLW or prioritizing Shiloh as the number one focus of my life... lots of sweat equity.... always thinking I wasn’t good enough so I needed to work harder... give up more.... in my mind I justified what I gave in exchange for what I missed out in life because God’s word was always worth more than myself.
When I was told I was no longer welcome as a congregant in 1997, I suffered a great loss... yet as I began to find my way in life and began to recognize my own value, it became much easier to forget the hurt I had left behind. Factnet and RickRoss forums helped me realize I had been able to move away before the crazy nonsense intensified.... I am sure had I not been showed the door... I would have walked away on my own.
Please excuse my wandering...remembering the good memories of being a part of Shiloh to realize it is standing empty... a hollow ghost of it’s former glory....
I still am standing strong for those that have told their stories and for those yet to break free to tell theirs.... for it is the stories that shall diminish this cult from gaining any credibility.
Posted by: 40yearsin2016
Date: November 08, 2019 03:04PM
Hey Onion,
Glad you're here, and glad you're giving a little energy to speaking the truth to deception.
It took me decades to speak the word "cult" out loud. I was walked out of LWF in 1984-5 (cannot remember exactly, those years were so traumatic). I didn't speak the word "cult" out loud until 2016, believe it or not that was when I finally felt like I was leaving my cage.
So many have different life experiences having left the cult. One friend told me she spent a decade in therapy and still suffers PTSD at the mention of the name of the church, all these decades later. Another told me recently that there were "no regrets" for time in LWF - even though a sibling is still stuck there and they no longer speak.
Me, I have regrets, but I don't regret speaking out. I don't regret speaking the word "cult" out loud for all to hear.
Posted by: Reepicheep
Date: November 09, 2019 07:56AM
Thanks for chiming in, 40 Years. Always enjoy your insight. I have many regrets also. It took me a long time to come to the realization that TLWF is a cult. Like you, I don't regret speaking up and calling it what it is and always has been. I still hope that there will be some type of resolution for those who have been harmed the most. But even if all we do is leave warning signs for those who become free enough to read this forum, that's something.
Posted by: changedagain
Date: November 09, 2019 12:46PM
40 Years wrote:
It took me decades to speak the word "cult" out loud. I was walked out of LWF in 1984-5 (cannot remember exactly, those years were so traumatic).
Those were tumultuous years--even by Walk/TLWF 'standards.'
I do recall a few influential people in my life during that time period who could have accurately gone by the pseudonym 40ozInTheMorning. I think open containers were a sign you were on the path toward Sonship. That, and having fire in your eyes during the prayer sessions. Following John's death, there was an intercession focus on demanding that God bring him back. I was a participant in that nonsense.
Posted by: changedagain
Date: November 09, 2019 03:05PM
Reepicheep Wrote:
But even if all we do is leave warning signs for those who
become free enough to read this forum, that's something.
Even after 12 years of covering seemingly every gamut of this little cult, the discussion here still generates interest, perhaps (in part) because there is new info disclosed by a poster who previously not come forward. As fear recedes, participants are inclined to share suppressed cult memories, and the composite picture of what we've been through becomes more clear.
Posted by: Road to Damascus
Date: November 09, 2019 03:14PM
Interesting how I feel that the buildings at Shiloh are being emptied, auction to be held on the 23rd and the building to be totally shut down forever. An end of an era. Amazing what feelings and reactions this is causing in me. On one hand a rejoicing and on the other a sadness at thoughts of what occurred there.
Posted by: typer
Date: November 09, 2019 05:44PM
Changedagain: Yes.
I'm sorry I didn't break free much earlier. You and the other old time posters have provided courage for us new posters to help us find our voice, plus what Shalom has done for all of us. I am thankful for you. Leadership cloaked in so much darkness, we are now shining together to burn away the darkness.
Posted by: Imapurple
Date: November 09, 2019 07:43PM
It’s interesting looking back at a place like Shiloh where so much time was spent or even the Blix house or Johns house and remember all the things that went on. I completely understand the mixed feelings. So much of our lives were spent in these places. I have a deep sadness over so many things. Mostly from being let down from all the Hope’s and dreams. People who have passed or gone away. It’s like going back to a childhood home after all your friends are gone and remembering the times you had. So much crap happened in those places but it’s mixed with some good things too. I’m glad everything is coming down. It’s a new day and time for healing from all the hurt and pain.
Posted by: Liamthomasusa
Date: November 10, 2019 03:06PM
Imapurple
After reading your last post my emotions welled up within me....remembering that time when serving TLW or prioritizing Shiloh as the number one focus of my life... lots of sweat equity.... always thinking I wasn’t good enough so I needed to work harder... give up more.... in my mind I justified what I gave in exchange for what I missed out in life because God’s word was always worth more than myself.
When I was told I was no longer welcome as a congregant in 1997, I suffered a great loss... yet as I began to find my way in life and began to recognize my own value, it became much easier to forget the hurt I had left behind. Factnet and RickRoss forums helped me realize I had been able to move away before the crazy nonsense intensified.... I am sure had I not been showed the door... I would have walked away on my own.
Please excuse my wandering...remembering the good memories of being a part of Shiloh to realize it is standing empty... a hollow ghost of it’s former glory....
I still am standing strong for those that have told their stories and for those yet to break free to tell theirs.... for it is the stories that shall diminish this cult from gaining any credibility.
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The N.A.R hopes you never see this !
https://youtu.be/AXx07BZhG4g]William Branham's grandson exposes his evil grandfather ![/url]
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Ellen White finally exposed !
https://youtu.be/AXx07BZhG4g][/url]
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The Truth about the New Apostolic Reformation
Just when you have thought you heard it all about the corruption of theveb e n.a.r new apostolic reformation movement ... Here's even more proof that this mess that was started by William Branham and c.p.wagner started it gets even more sinister
Here is the video
Warning it's over 1 hour long and some themes are not for Children so use disgression .
https://youtu.be/AXx07BZhG4g][/url]
Here is the video
Warning it's over 1 hour long and some themes are not for Children so use disgression .
https://youtu.be/AXx07BZhG4g][/url]
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Re: The Truth about the New Apostolic Reformation
Let's make that link a bit more user-friendly: [www.youtube.com]
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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Typer wrote:
I'm sorry I didn't break free much earlier. You and the other old time posters have provided courage for us new posters to help us find our voice, plus what Shalom has done for all of us. I am thankful for you. Leadership cloaked in so much darkness, we are now shining together to burn away the darkness.
Glad I was able to be a part of helping others extricate themselves from that mess. Thanks for the kind words, Typer.
--Old Time Poster
(aka changedagain, LampFromIkea)
I'm sorry I didn't break free much earlier. You and the other old time posters have provided courage for us new posters to help us find our voice, plus what Shalom has done for all of us. I am thankful for you. Leadership cloaked in so much darkness, we are now shining together to burn away the darkness.
Glad I was able to be a part of helping others extricate themselves from that mess. Thanks for the kind words, Typer.
--Old Time Poster
(aka changedagain, LampFromIkea)
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"Typer wrote:
I'm sorry I didn't break free much earlier. You and the other old time posters have provided courage for us new posters to help us find our voice, plus what Shalom has done for all of us. I am thankful for you. Leadership cloaked in so much darkness, we are now shining together to burn away the darkness."
Hear, hear! Changed, you and others did so much good by having the courage to rip up the code of silence and post in forums like Factnet and this one. I read for several years before getting the nerve to join the conversation. Thank you.
I'm sorry I didn't break free much earlier. You and the other old time posters have provided courage for us new posters to help us find our voice, plus what Shalom has done for all of us. I am thankful for you. Leadership cloaked in so much darkness, we are now shining together to burn away the darkness."
Hear, hear! Changed, you and others did so much good by having the courage to rip up the code of silence and post in forums like Factnet and this one. I read for several years before getting the nerve to join the conversation. Thank you.
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Thanks, Reep.
I also read the Factnet forum for quite some time before I began participating in the wild west of cult discussion. It certainly wasn't easy taking that step--but no regrets. There was so much conditioning to shed, and it helped toward that end.
Freedom is incremental, at least in my experience.
I also read the Factnet forum for quite some time before I began participating in the wild west of cult discussion. It certainly wasn't easy taking that step--but no regrets. There was so much conditioning to shed, and it helped toward that end.
Freedom is incremental, at least in my experience.
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p.s. I was going to write something about The Apostle wearing no clothes,
but I'll give it a rest.
but I'll give it a rest.
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My on-again, off-again infatuation with my dog. I noticed that whenever there was a dispute between us, 'Paleface' would immediately weigh in as an advocate for the dog. Example:
Posted by: changedagain
Date: November 12, 2014 04:43AM
I love my dog. He's helped me get through a lot of things...mainly because he doesn't seem to give a sh*t about the pressures of the day. At least that's the vibe he gives off. In fact, I think he very well could be the embodiment of Matthew 6:34:"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own."
Posted by: changedagain
Date: November 12, 2014 05:01AM
Just noticed that the trash can in the kitchen is knocked over, and it will take me at least ten minutes to clean everything up. I'm really tired and shouldn't have to face this reality late at night...
I've changed my mind about my dog. He's not great after all. Please disregard the previous comment about him being some big solution in my life.
Posted by: paleface
Date: November 12, 2014 07:48AM
Are you sure it was you dog? Maybe you have been sleep-walking again.
Posted by: changedagain
Date: November 12, 2014 04:43AM
I love my dog. He's helped me get through a lot of things...mainly because he doesn't seem to give a sh*t about the pressures of the day. At least that's the vibe he gives off. In fact, I think he very well could be the embodiment of Matthew 6:34:"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own."
Posted by: changedagain
Date: November 12, 2014 05:01AM
Just noticed that the trash can in the kitchen is knocked over, and it will take me at least ten minutes to clean everything up. I'm really tired and shouldn't have to face this reality late at night...
I've changed my mind about my dog. He's not great after all. Please disregard the previous comment about him being some big solution in my life.
Posted by: paleface
Date: November 12, 2014 07:48AM
Are you sure it was you dog? Maybe you have been sleep-walking again.
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