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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens

September 20, 2015, 8:49 pm
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So these decisions to relocate originated from the congregants?
And that is what prompted the sale of the smaller churches?
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Changedagain, I don't know. I am saying what is on their website, or on one of them, on the history part. On many sites they say there were a hundred churches, I would say that it is more like fifty churches, including very small home meetings when JRS died. I would venture a guess that most of the people decided that the Walk was voer when John died.

I think more people left than went out to California to become part of the churches out there. I wish I knew if many of them stayed together and sought a relationship with Christ this time, instead of wanting John's spirit, perhaps they sought the Holy Spirit, and grew out of the idolatry.
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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens

September 21, 2015, 6:42 am
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I was part of the South Gate church for the last seven years of my time in TLWF. As you know, South Gate was the first church founded by John. About a year after I left, the church was sold. From what I recall during my tenure, most of the congregants were happy being rooted there. Also, the church had been paid off--so it wasn't under financial duress. Thus, it came as a surprise when I found out later it had been sold.
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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens

September 21, 2015, 7:05 am
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I'm sure the South Gate congregation had no vote in the shut down decision. Even though they were the ones paying the bills and maintaining the church.

Unless you were deemed a "kingdom facility" your head was (is) on the chopping block. It was difficult to survive as a lowly local church. 80% of the tithes and offerings were sent to the APCO support fund and "word for the world" type funds. That leaves you with 20% to run the local church. No wonder most of them looked like dumps with old paint and dead lawns.

And when Easter came around, the church service was cancelled, because most everyone went to Passover feast in Shiloh or LA. And we wondered why no new people came around?
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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens

September 21, 2015, 8:25 am
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That is so pathetic...the demeaning attitude toward the local churches, which in all likelihood, would be the environment most suitable to nurture new members.
BTW, I wasn't aware that 80% of the tithes and offerings were sent to Apco...that's some heavy taxation--I mean, joyful giving.
Anyway, got to go. There's a service in the valley!
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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens

September 21, 2015, 9:28 am
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I just don't get this "word for the world" junk, I wonder if any of you have bought anything from them, tape, video, written message in years, because I doubt seriously if it is possible to get a password there to buy anything unless you are a member and loyal to marilyn. That is just my guess. I might try to get that password myself and see what happens.
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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens

September 21, 2015, 11:02 am
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BTW, the "vision" John had when he was allegedly transported seven years into the future (from 1972 to 1979) was described in a message contained in the book 'The Shape of Things to Come." My guess is that you will never be able to purchase that book.
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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens

September 21, 2015, 12:29 pm
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Changedagain, so what all is happening now that we have gotten in the Kingdom? What all is in the book Shape of Things to Come. I am sure I read it but i don't remember what was in it.
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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens

September 21, 2015, 1:37 pm
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I never could read much of that book. I always had that Yardbirds song running thru my head, distracting me.
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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens

September 21, 2015, 4:32 pm
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Apostle Dog Wrote:
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> Changedagain, so what all is happening now that we
> have gotten in the Kingdom? What all is in the
> book Shape of Things to Come. I am sure I read it
> but i don't remember what was in it.

The fact you don't remember what was in it is probably a good thing, AD!
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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens

September 21, 2015, 5:21 pm
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Apostle Dog Wrote:
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> I just don't get this "word for the world" junk, I
> wonder if any of you have bought anything from
> them, tape, video, written message in years,
> because I doubt seriously if it is possible to get
> a password there to buy anything unless you are a
> member and loyal to marilyn. That is just my
> guess. I might try to get that password myself and
> see what happens.


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Apostle Dog,

If you do get a password you might want to order "The Test of True and False Prophets." I read an exert from it online and part of it went like this. "There is one thing that only a true prophet can do. Under the anointing of the HOly Spirit he can lay hands on a man and produce a true prophet." That's a huge misconception and twisting of the scriptures that may be at the root of the destructiveness of the Walk. It took me a decade to figure out that was baloney. Ridiculous.
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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens

September 21, 2015, 6:22 pm
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AD,

I noticed I left out the scripture twisting in my above post on the test of a true and false prophet.

The basis for JRS's claim that a true prophet can produce a true prophet is found in Genesis v24-25, "the principle is established that everything brings forth after its own kind," i.e. mules beget mules. SO this is the JRS logic. Mules beget mules and when the true prophet JRS laid hands on a man, he beget a prophet. This has to win the award for most ridiculous scripture twisting regarding the acid test for a true or false prophet.
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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens

September 21, 2015, 8:25 pm
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Lily Rose, just that very thing is the reason Latter Rain theology was rejected by Assemblies of God, that thing where they believe they can "create" a person into an office. A prophet and an apostle, according to scripture are allways, ALLWAYS commissioned by the Lord Himself, the Angel of the Lord, NEVER, was anybody in those days set into that office by any man laying hands on them. There might have been gifts "imparted" as that is mentioned by Paul, as Paul mentioned a gift he might have bestowed on Timothy, but it doesn't say much about that. And it doesn't say what gift that was, how it was given. That is not the same thing.

You are right, there was severe scripture twisting done in that mess. From the very beginning, and it just got worse as time went on.
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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens

September 21, 2015, 8:50 pm
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Like begets like as in "Jerks" beget "Jerks" ---- this much is certain.

The two shepherd families (four adults -- militant loyalists) who were put in charge of the Salt Lake City Church were really feeling the power. One time the Sunday morning service was scheduled to start at 10:00am at a certain person's home. Well, the royals showed up at 10:45am in the church van of course, and as they walked in with their authority swagger one of the shepherd's wives said, "We're kings, making the rules as we go. Doing as we damn well please."

I can only hope that God & Jesus remain in charge of the earth. If man is put in charge we're screwed.

Does anybody know if JRS entertained the "Serpent Seed Doctrine" mentioned in the Wikipedia article on William Branham? I almost threw up when I read about it. Totally sick. Nothing but a platform for hate, inequality and prejudice as well as supporting the false notion of a pure lineage that is favored by God. The "who-so-ever" s of the New Testament used by Jesus in the Gospel of John fly directly in the face of such nonsense.
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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens

September 22, 2015, 6:34 am
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"I'm more afraid of the Adamic Bum than the atomic bomb" -- JRS
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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens

September 22, 2015, 6:46 am
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paleface Wrote:
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> "I'm more afraid of the Adamic Bum than the atomic
> bomb" -- JRS

Don't forget about the Adamic bomb. That (to me) is the most scary thing of all!
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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens

September 22, 2015, 11:13 am
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Lily Rose, back a few posts, you mentioned forgiving, and I said that what has helped my bitterness some was the realization that I was part of the problem to a great extent, I said that I would not have done any better if I were in charge of things. But beyond that, there is something else that is important, all of us would be better off to forgive, because scientific proof shows that when people hold bitterness inside of them, it hurts them physically and emotionally. I read one study that showed that people have even developed arthritis because of their ties to bad experiences of the past, unresolved emotional issues.

I have been thinking about LWF differently lately since I began praying for the people left in it, including the leadership. Now, I would love to hear that they repented and did what they could to restore whatever was wrongly taken from people, such as their retirement. I am happy to hear some of the things, such as their willingness to associate with other denominations, I DO HOPE however that their motives are right in that. Now days Christians are under assault, there are people that are cutting off heads of Christians if they do not deny Christ. The time is over for division in the whole Body of Christ.

I am not referring here to a one world church with anybody in charge of it, that is the same mess that we got out of. I am only saying, that it is time to accept all Christians as our brethren, get a bug out bag ready, load up on food, water, meds, and other essentials. I think we are going to see who is right soon, pre-trib, post-trib, mid-trib, rapture, return, manifestation of super-saints, whatever, it's going down now.
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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens

September 23, 2015, 10:27 am
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One positive experience was the Walk opened me to the significance of the Jewish feasts. FYI on the Feast of Tabernacles 9/28/15 a blood moon lunar eclipse will be visible from the US and Jerusalem. Three previous blood moons have already occurred on Jewish feasts, 4/15/14 Passover, 10/8/14 Feast of Tabernacles and 4/4/15 Passover and I read that such a happening of 4 consecutive blood moons occurring on Jewish feasts will not occur for another 500 years. Due the hype about 1979, I try not to get too excited about such events or read too much into them so I take more of a "watch" approach. I take the same approach to much of the talk about this being the end time and that we are very close. But the history of blood moons occurring during historical Jewish happenings is very interesting
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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens

September 23, 2015, 4:17 pm
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Lily Rose, I have heard lots about the blood moons. All over the internet there are predictions about what might happen this month. Everything from the rapture to the beginning to the great tribulation, depending on what eschatological view is being promoted at the time. Mostly I think it's a few people with intelligent reasons to believe something is about to happen, and lots of others that are jumping on the bandwagon. Again, I guess we will see. I think there are lots of signs that we are getting much closer to seeing just who's theories hold water, and who's theories are just smoke. I think the biggest one for me is just the fact that 30 years ago nobody would foresee that Christians would be decapitated on a regular basis just as the book of Revelation speaks. Who would have thought that?

By the way, I did order a tape from Living Word. I don't know if all of the stuff they offer is for people that don't have a password though. So far I have not been able to get a password there. I will see if that is just for members or what. Perhaps they are selling the literature and tapes to the general public now, at least they are selling some of it to the general public.
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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens

September 23, 2015, 5:04 pm
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FCSLC Wrote:
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>> Does anybody know if JRS entertained the "Serpent
> Seed Doctrine" mentioned in the Wikipedia article
> on William Branham? I almost threw up when I read
> about it. Totally sick. Nothing but a platform
> for hate, inequality and prejudice as well as
> supporting the false notion of a pure lineage that
> is favored by God. The "who-so-ever" s of the New
> Testament used by Jesus in the Gospel of John fly
> directly in the face of such nonsense.


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Did your pastor ever say anything like this:

"But I remember when my father's still up there running. I had to be out there with water and stuff, see young ladies that wasn't over 17 or 18 years up there with a man my age, drunk. And they'd have to sober them up and give them black coffee to get them home to cook their husband's supper. This was my remark about them. They're not worth a good clean bullet to kill them with it. That's right. And I hated women. That's right. And I just have to watch every move now to keep from still think the same thing." (Transcribed from a William Branham sermon.)

FCSLC, Branham's unhinged attitude toward women may have influenced his offensive serpent seed teaching. I don't know if JRS adhered to the serpent seed teaching but Al Dager in his writing said that JRS was a Branham disciple (Kingdom Theology, 1986.)
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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens

September 23, 2015, 9:48 pm
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A warning to all those that are still in Living Word, or to those that are out of it now but still believe the following:


To accept the belief that ANYONE is Christ in the Earth is to usurp the place of Jesus as the Christ and therefore to commit idolatry. That opens up people to accept the concept that John Robert Stevens was their spiritual father, again, taking him as their God instead of Jehovah as their spiritual Father, and it causes people to accept the belief that Gary and Marilyn are their spiritual father and mother, and thus, they are still committing idolatry. This all leads them to one place, and that to hell. This is evil, all of it. From beginning to end.
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